Would you say Orchid/Morningrise has black metal influences ?

I have read here and there that Orchid and Morningrise have black metal influences. I feel this affirmation is disputable at best. I do not remember Mikael stating he listened to a lot of first or second wave black metal. He obviously knows the scene at least bit (he featured on Ihsahn's album back in 2007)

I think people say this due to the production but for me it's more 90s swedish death metal with more reverb. The same thing was said about Katatonia. But otherwise I do not see a real link here

What do you think ?